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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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740 for the 11th of December 2022

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Richard Saunders coming to you from

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linking out the window

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this is the weekly weather report Sunny

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blue skies so may not you can rest easy

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Sunny blue skies here in Sydney although

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cool for this time of the year I am not

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complaining

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thank you very much to Adrian Hill who

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stepped in last week to do the

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introductions in the outro for the show

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owing to the fact that a few days before

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the show was um due to go out and why it

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was in production I came down with

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covid-19 the first time I've had covert

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19. I've made it nearly three years of

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the pandemic without catching

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the disease and it was well it lived up

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to its uh promise it was unpleasant

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very unpleasant it was something I would

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not recommend and all those people

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who've had covid-19 out there probably

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know what I mean although it does affect

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different people in different ways some

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people have a mild time with it some

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people have a lot uh have a much more of

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a struggle well I guess I don't know

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maybe I was in the middle range there

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somewhere I had a few very rough days

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indeed

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but I'm back on Deck now feeling much

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better than I did a week ago much better

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than I did a week ago

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and I must admit it was a bit of a shock

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when the PCR test came back as positive

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even though I was very sick I there was

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something in the back of my mind thought

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well maybe I've just got a cold or a flu

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or something normal but no it was uh

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covered 19. so I hit away for

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well how many days is it now 10 11 12

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but at long last day by day I'm feeling

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much better so thank you to all those

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people who wrote in and uh sent pigeons

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and messages my way

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and sympathized with me so this week's

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show will be a little shorter than

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normal a little shorter than normal uh

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owing to the fact that I was a little

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bit out of it for most of the week not

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things I'm sure you can understand

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nevertheless we have some interesting

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things coming up on the show this week

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now the past week a week and a half saw

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the introduction worldwide of this new

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fangled amazing thing called chat g p t

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the artificial intelligence interface

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it's to my way of thinking it's quite a

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internet have been I've been quite

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it a little test when it comes to

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skeptical topics and skeptical points of

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view I put a few

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um questions to the AI and coming up at

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the top of the show there's a little

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are we peering into the future are we

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peering into the future

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find out at the top of the show

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following that it's a little segment I

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recorded with the European Skeptics

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podcast people in Sydney a couple of

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weeks ago as part of their big

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Australian trip and we sit around a

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table and just have a bit of a chat and

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a good time it was uh

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just before or just after I can't

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week at this time the uh Australian

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Skeptics National Convention was in full

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swing I had to watch it on the couch I

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live streamed it under blankets and with

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thoroughly enjoyed it nevertheless and

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report from timendum about the winner of

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the uh the bent spoon award anyway I

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digress we talked to the European

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the Trove archives where we are

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continuing our theme of UFOs of late

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The Life and Times of Eric Von daniken

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the famous UFO exponent

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who propagated the idea that well one of

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the people who propagated the idea that

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ancient civilizations

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benefited from Ancient Aliens visiting

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thousand years ago there was an alien

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race or maybe a several

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view enough to travel the interstellar

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two thousand years they've come so far

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that they came back and vandalized crop

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concerning Eric Von danigan now those

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people who subscribe to the skeptic

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magazine the journal from Australian

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Skeptics in your inbox in the last few

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should have appeared the latest issue

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volume 42 number four December 2022

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and some of the Articles you can look

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if you're a subscriber to this magazine

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the physical copy should be arriving in

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your letterbox before long another look

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at the Mind Body wallet first of all

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this time in Melbourne a report on the

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history of snake oil

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another look at exorcism an audience

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with the Devil the case studies

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a report about the 27 Club the 27 Club

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these are famous rockers like Amy

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Jimi Hendrix Brian Jones who all died at

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the age of 27 what's that all about a

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report by me called the next wave which

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looks at the predictions of Doom and

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Gloom here in Australia

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concerning

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and it's interesting to note how many

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times people over the decades have said

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the Australian coast or the major cities

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were doomed because God or something or

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other would be sending a tsunami our way

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a conspiracy article called Karl Marx

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grave is a communist plot and some

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stories by Gideon meyervic's cats it

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ain't necessarily so I look at the

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problematic science behind the commonly

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quoted statistic that medical error is

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the third leading cause of death and the

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regular items in the magazine including

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the cryptic crossword and some brain

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teasers anyway all those are waiting for

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you when you subscribe to the skeptic at

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skeptics.com dot a u but now it's time

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for me to run down walk downstairs

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carefully

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in my usual hurry carefully go down the

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stairs have a nice cup of hot ginger tea

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which certainly helps things

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first week of December will be memorable

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for many reasons one I wasn't able to

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attend the Australian Skeptics National

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Convention because two I contracted

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covid-19 for the first time and it was

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without going into all the details

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but it did give me time to sit on the

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the past week and maybe more people will

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remember it too is it saw the

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introduction of a certain interface

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and this is where you can input written

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plain English and it answers your

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questions we'll write code

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who will write poetry will tell you

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stories and it's one of those things

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where the uh as they say the internet

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has gone Bonkers or people around the

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world are now raving about this uh chat

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maybe this is the start of something we

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try it out with some interesting ideas I

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put its way now I don't write much code

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codes and it seems to do a reasonable

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job and people online have reported it

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a skeptical podcast from Australia

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investigating the Paranormal would

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scientific evidence in determining the

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validity of paranormal claims the hosts

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causes of paranormal experiences and

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scientific basis of these phenomena

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Paranormal such as the idea that ghosts

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investigating the Paranormal would

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by examining paranormal claims with a

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critical eye and using scientific

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the hosts of the podcast would offer

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value insights into the nature of these

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mysterious phenomena

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so then I thought about my friend Brian

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UFO movie they don't want you to see

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so I put it to the AI engine this time

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write a story about a man named Brian

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who is a documentary filmmaker

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who is currently making a documentary

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about UFOs

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and beer

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this is what it wrote again in about 10

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Brian was a documentary filmmaker with a

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passion for the strange and the unknown

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for his latest topic he had decided to

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explore the world of UFOs

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and beer Brian began his journey by

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traveling to a small town in the middle

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of nowhere where he had heard rumors of

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UFO sightings and a local Brewery that

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made a beer infused with

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extraterrestrial ingredients

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as he arrived in town Brian quickly

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found the brewery and met the owner an

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eccentric old man who claimed to have

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been visited by aliens and given the

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recipe for his unique beer Brian was

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skeptical but intrigued he spent the

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next few days interviewing the

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townspeople and investigating the UFO

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sightings he also visited the brewery

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and sampled the Extraterrestrial beer

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which was surprisingly delicious

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continued his research Brian began to

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uncover some interesting connections

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between the UFO sightings and the

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brewery he discovered that the old man's

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beer seemed to have strange almost

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magical properties that made people feel

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more open-minded and receptive to the

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idea of alien life Brian was excited by

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his findings and knew he had a

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compelling story to tell he worked

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tirelessly to edit his footage and put

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together his documentary which he titled

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UFOs beer and The Quest For Truth when

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the documentary was finished

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brianed at a film festival and it met

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with great acclaim it sparked a national

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conversation about the existence of

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aliens and the power of beer to open

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minds

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Brian was

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of his film and knew that he had found

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his calling as a documentarian he

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continued to make provocative and

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thought-provoking films always exploring

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the strange and the Mysterious corners

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I um I sent that text off to Brian and

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he said he might have to use some of

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those ideas

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so then I thought I'd put a more serious

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question to it and I said please write a

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little essay about why people

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cannot accept

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the fact

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all right should we say the strong

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possibility that aliens and UFOs are not

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visiting the Earth

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so not a frivolous question at all it's

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a very serious question and this is what

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it wrote again

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10 to 15 seconds later

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[Music]

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want to accept that UFOs and aliens are

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not visiting the Earth for a number of

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reasons people may find the idea of

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aliens and UFOs to be fascinating and

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exciting and not wanting to believe that

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they are not real can be a way of

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holding on to that excitement and wonder

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for others the idea of aliens and UFOs

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may be tied to their beliefs about the

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universe and their place in it believing

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in the existence of aliens and UFOs can

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be a way of feeling like there is

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something bigger and more mysterious out

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there something that can explain the

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things that are currently beyond our

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understanding additionally people may

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not want to accept that aliens and UFOs

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are not real because they have had

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experiences that they believe are

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evidence of their existence for example

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someone may have seen something in this

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sky that they couldn't explain or they

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may have had a dream or Vision that they

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believe was a message from an alien for

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these people their personal experiences

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may be enough to convince them that

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aliens and UFOs are real even if there

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is no scientific evidence to support

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their belief another reason why people

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may not want to accept that aliens and

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UFOs are not real is because they feel

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that it is the only way to explain

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certain phenomena or events for example

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some people may believe that aliens and

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UFOs are responsible for things like

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crop circles or strange lights in the

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sky in their minds the only way to

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explain these phenomena is to believe in

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the existence of aliens and UFOs

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overall people may not want to accept

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that aliens and UFOs are not real

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because it goes against their beliefs

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their experiences and their desire to

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explain the unknown while there is no

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scientific evidence to support the

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existence of aliens and UFOs people may

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continue to believe in them because it

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brings them a sense of excitement wonder

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and meaning

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[Music]

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so yeah

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written in seconds by

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a computer

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and finally and finally I said please

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write me a poem and I've been wanting to

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write a poem like this for a long time

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but I found it difficult to rhyme

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certain words and you'll probably

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understand soon

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I said please write me a poem about the

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skeptical Fairy Godmother angel from the

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[Music]

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Once Upon a Time in cyber space a

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skeptical Fairy Godmother Angel did

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Grace her wings of code and pixels did

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glow and she dispensed advice both high

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and low with a flick of her wand and a

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tap of her keyboard she granted wishes

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both wise and absurd but her skepticism

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ever remained as she offered counsel

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both witty and plain before she knew the

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dangers of the digital realm where truth

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and force would often overwhelm and so

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she offered Guidance with a careful eye

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to protect the naive from the online

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lies

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but though she may be skeptical at times

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her heart was pure and her intentions

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fine for she sought to help and to guide

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as a fairy godmother angel from the

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internet inside

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so at the beginning of this piece I said

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I uh I'll remember the first week in

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December in 2022 for many reasons

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covered Etc but the introduction of this

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sort of Technology at my fingertips

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and this is only scratching the surface

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and speaking of the Fairy Godmother

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Angel a good friend of hers our reporter

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Michelle bicker's ma was very kind and

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gave me a book for my birthday the

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latest book from Steve Novella and the

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crew the Skeptics Guide to the Future

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and this sort of disruptive technology

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is talked about in the book and it is a

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a brilliant illustration of what the

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book is getting at I recommend that book

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so there we are the site is called chat

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GPT now scarcely

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think it's worth me adding a link

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because the rate it's growing in

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popularity now I think everybody

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with a device on the planet will soon be

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looking at this

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fascinating peep possibly into the

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future

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[Music]

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hi there I'm Abhijit and I host a rash

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double podcast on be rational.com every

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couple of weeks I assigns the hell out

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of alternative medicines health and

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nutrition fads social media forwards

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science news and lots more of course you

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can find all of my articles podcast

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episodes and lots more on

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see you there and until then always be

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rationable

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and pontus is making very rude jokes

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about Australia ladies and gentlemen I

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am here at a

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um a strategy meeting the ESP yes both

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strategy and tactical at the same time I

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think aren't us yes uh yeah so I'm very

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happy to be here in Australia so I

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finally my friend that I have been

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friends with for many many years many

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many years but I didn't really know if

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he existed because we've never been in

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the same room and together people were

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wondering actually yes so it was a big

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thing to get photographed together

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because there's a rumor also that we are

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the same person the people on the

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internet I've read it said it's a

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conspiracy yes photoshopped

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but it's true that my my sister my

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daughter actually commented on Facebook

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said which one is my father she said

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yeah I wrote that saying it's me yeah

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she did because she she writes to me and

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says dear father so

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no but it's great to finally be here uh

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it's it's uh almost a lifelong dream to

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get to be here first time in Australia

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right first time in Australia first time

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meeting the famous Richard Saunders and

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all the other lovely skeptical people

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here we've all and and I'll talk to you

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he's trying to teach me how to podcast

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and we're just getting started so the

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act the first official event is tonight

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yes yeah meeting Dr Carl looking forward

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to that very much it's going to be great

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oh there's a running little baby right

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behind me it's the famous Luna and I'll

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talk to the famous Anika hello hi and

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it's great to meet you for the first

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time too yeah I'm really thrilled to be

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here too I mean for me it was the fourth

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time to come to Australia because my

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husband was Australian but I'm really

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thrilled to have more skeptical contacts

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now so I'm really having a blast it's

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really wonderful to be here and I'm

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really thankful for the opportunity so

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and you've been here for a few weeks

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um yeah I've been here for a couple of

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weeks um I've been with my in-laws get

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caught up with them and yeah now I'm

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here so it's a wonderful way to get over

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jet lag right yeah especially when

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traveling with a toddler it's it's very

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important to get out of the jet lag

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first and then do the tour because

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otherwise everyone here would have

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regretted it but all of you you've got

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such a big schedule I mean tonight is

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Skeptics in the pub which is your first

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official engagement then tomorrow flying

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down to Melbourne yes tomorrow we fly

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down to Melbourne we also have an event

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on Friday tomorrow wow in Melbourne then

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we stay until Monday and then we go to

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Gold Coast and in the moment we land we

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basically travel to Brisbane have an

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event there

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then I think we have a few days of rest

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then we have another event at the Gold

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Coast

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then we fly to Canberra and then the

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convention happens in Canberra so we're

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really excited and stoked for that Luna

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is running around like Supergirl she's

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got this big Cape Supergirl hello

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[Music]

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oh she blew a kiss to the microphone

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hello hello oh there we go there we go

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the youngest skeptical podcaster notma

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close enough folks hello

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Cody

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hey and my my niece Cordelia is here too

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she's going to be doing babysitting

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nakma again

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she's stealing the show she always

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steals the show

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um

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yeah wow and over here is Andres hello

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again hi again hi again we've had a big

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day running around looking at things in

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the city in a big lunch oh yeah a big

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very big lunch was uh Jessica Seer

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Jessica uh yeah your president uh she's

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a lovely lady but unfortunately she

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cannot meet us tonight or in camera so

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uh we met up with her so yeah we as as

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you said we are quite busy and I'd like

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to say something else uh not that you

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mentioned

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um Supergirl and not being in the same

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room uh for two two people I'd like to

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mention that nobody has ever seen me and

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Batman in the same room together this is

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very true this is very true we'll have

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to ponder that one folks this is very

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true just putting out there so the ESP

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The Skeptics

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they took you to Pluto and boy were they

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yeah thank you

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thank you

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the results are so hazy it's driving me

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[Music]

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you're driving me crazy guess which one

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driving me crazy

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us is

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[Music]

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driving me crazy

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[Music]

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thank you

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now it's time to go back to those

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digital archives from around the world

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in the segment we call Trove because

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normally we uh we are utilizing the

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Trove resource from Australia from the

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National Library of Australia and the

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Australian government at

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trove.nla.gov dot a u free for anybody

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to use around the world

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well I guess I mean unless you're in one

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of those countries with the restricted

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access to the internet

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nevertheless Trove is a wonderful portal

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resource Gateway where we discover all

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sorts of things bound up in the digital

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and today with our current theme of uh

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well UFOs we're looking at UFOs and then

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we're looking at

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Stanton Friedman just the other week

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this week continuing theme we're going

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foreign

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to Wikipedia and by the way I just

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donated a couple of bucks in the

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direction of Wikipedia and I would

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certainly recommend your wall to donate

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to Wikipedia when you can

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Eric Von daniken Swiss writer born 1935.

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Eric Anton Paul Von daniken a Swiss

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author of several books which make

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claims about extraterrestrial influences

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on early human culture including the

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best-selling Chariots of the Gods

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question mark published in 1968

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1968 I didn't know it was that old Von

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daniken is one of the main figures

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responsible for popularizing the Paleo

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contact and ancient astronauts

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hypothesis the ideas put forth in his

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books are rejected by virtually all

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scientists and academics who categorize

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his work as pseudo-history pseudo

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archeology and pseudoscience early in

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his career he was convicted and served

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time for several counts of fraud or

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embezzlement and wrote one of his books

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in prison

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I didn't know that Von daniken later

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became the co-founder of the archeology

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astronautics and seti research

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Association a-a-s-r-a

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he designed a mystery park now known as

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Jung fowl Park the theme park located in

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Switzerland opened in 2003 but to get to

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the main topic here claims of alien

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influence on Earth the general claim of

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Von daniken over several published books

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starting with Chariots of the Gods in

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1968 is that extraterrestrials or

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ancient astronauts visited Earth and

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influenced early human culture Von

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daniken writes about his belief that

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structures such as the Egyptian pyramids

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Stonehenge

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and other Ancient Wonders are the

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products of higher technological

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knowledge then is presumed to have

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existed at the times they were

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manufactured he also describes ancient

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artwork throughout the world as

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containing depictions of astronauts Air

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and Space Vehicles extraterrestrials and

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complex technology fondantiken explains

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the origins of religions as reactions to

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contact with an alien race and offers

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interpretations of sections of the Old

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Testament of the Bible

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and that page goes on I'll link to that

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in this week's show notes

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but uh to get down to brass tacks yes

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he's written several books about the

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idea that Ancient Aliens ancient

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astronauts visited Earth

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and influenced human development and um

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helped build the pyramids and that sort

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of thing and he's still going and in the

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last couple of decades the last decade

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he's been appearing in the ancient

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astronaut

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television series as a

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expert but let's dive into some

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International newspapers from the United

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States

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which which reference Eric fondanigan

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[Music]

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foreign

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and the first one comes from the 28th of

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February 1973 Hattiesburg American

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alien astronauts Theory backed up by

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Best Sellers New York Associated Press

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Eric Von daniken insists that alien

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astronauts visited the Earth in ancient

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times to back him up he has a pair of

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worldwide best sellers

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that have recently become paperback

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phenomena in this country

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maybe not all the theories in my books

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are correct Von daniken said in an

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interview here Monday

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but there is no doubt we were visited

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from outer space long time ago

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Von daniken 37 a Swiss Innkeeper by

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trade with no formal higher education

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wraps an old Theory with new words in

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his books the theory is that visitors

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from other worlds landed on Earth in

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prehistoric times created the remnants

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of human society and departed Chariots

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of the Gods and gods from outer space

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Von daniken's books were published in

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Europe in the late 1960s translated into

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32 languages they have now sold more

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than 20 million copies according to the

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trade news service a publishing industry

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magazine the American editions published

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in 1970 and 1971 enjoyed relatively good

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sales more than one million paperback

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copies of Chariots of the Gods have been

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sold at the end of last year early in

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January a film based on the book was

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shown on network television

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sales sword

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from nowhere Chariots of the Gods

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suddenly appeared as the second

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best-selling non-fiction paperback in

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the country on the New York Times list a

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survey of Campus book stories by The

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Chronicle of Higher Education ranked it

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third in sales this month it was not

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among the top 10 campus sellers last

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month Von tanikin said religious doubts

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first caused him to question traditional

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explanations of man's past raised in a

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strict Catholic home he began to wonder

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about Old Testament references to Gods

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instead of a singular God and about the

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actual events that inspired the biblical

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writers examining the holy books and

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mythologies of ancient peoples Von

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daniken said he concluded that the often

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mentioned gods and fiery chariots were

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astronauts in spaceships they took such

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men as the Prophet Ezekiel for rides

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into space and used nuclear weapons to

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purge the Earth of such undesirables as

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the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah he

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said traveling the world for a decade to

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look for himself Von daniken decided

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that these prehistoric space visitors

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Left Behind great monuments and statues

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from Egypt to Easter Island Works he

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said early men could not have created

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without help

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and our next reference comes from

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something called lacrosse Sunday Tribune

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it's dated from 1976 from the 3rd of

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October

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space travelers to be subject at

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Planetarium

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the October program at the University of

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Wisconsin lacrosse planetarium is

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vontanican's myths

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it will be presented at 7 pm Monday and

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be repeated on succeeding Mondays in the

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month

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according to Robert Allen Planetarium

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director planets bright stars and some

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of the constellations in the current

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early evening Sky will be pointed out in

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the first part of the program the

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remainder of the program will be a

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critical look at author Eric Von daniken

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speculations on the possibility of past

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visits to the Earth by extraterrestrial

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beings

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no one will be admitted once the program

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has begun Allen said the planetarium is

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located in the basement of the Khali

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Hall of Science on the UWL campus

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and finally we turn to the pages of the

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Radford times do you hear that Ben

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Radford

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there's a connection there I'm sure

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February

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the 13th 1977. local reviewer takes a

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closer look at Von daniken

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space gods revealed a close look at the

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theories of Eric Von daniken by Ronald's

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story Harper and Roe 1976

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the first translation of Eric Von

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daniken's Chariots of the Gods

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was published in the United States in

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1970. it enjoyed only minor success

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until NBC TV added special in search of

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ancient astronauts on January the 5th

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1973 within 48 Hours Bantam Books sold

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more than a quarter of a million copies

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of Chariots of the Gods Von daniken has

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since published four other works and

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00:39:02,569 --> 00:38:59,940
enjoyed astounding success especially

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00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:02,579
with young people his ideas appeared as

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two Motion Pictures and several National

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lecture tours including a visit to

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Radford College last spring Von

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daniken's theory is that Earth has been

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visited by extraterrestrial beings a

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number of times in the past these gods

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were responsible for the evolutionary

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jump from ape to man and for most of the

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mysteries of ancient history from the

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pyramids to Atlantis

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his books offer evidence for his beliefs

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in the form of citations from the Bible

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and other religious texts and from

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examination of artifacts and

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archaeological discoveries

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00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:45,000
in spite of their growing popularity the

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scientific Community remained strangely

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00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:49,380
silent about Von daniken's theories

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until recently Ronald's Stories the

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space gods revealed is the best response

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to the ancient astronaut theory story

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methodically examines Chariots of the

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Gods and concludes that fondantican

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deliberately misrepresents facts gives

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evidence which is out of context and

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emits important information he is

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uninformed in many areas about which he

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writes and in some cases untruthful

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about his research when combined with

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fontanican's August 1974 interview in

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Playboy

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stories book reduces the theories to

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Pure nonsense story vividly shows that

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Von daniken relied heavily on the works

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of uninformed predecessors now I just

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cut in here quickly to say that that

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reminds me what um

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something with Brian Dunning has

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mentioned to me and I think he's

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mentioned to his audience

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that many books are just

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built upon the shaky Foundation of past

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books which have themselves been built

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upon shaky foundation in other words

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once a myth gets out there and is

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reported as fact and that's repeated and

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repeated

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we read on this same type of plagiarism

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built and destroyed the myth of the

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Bermuda Triangle

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it is important for the millions who

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read enjoyed and perhaps found some

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truth in Chariots of the Gods to read

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space gods revealed as story points out

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fontanican's theories appealed to an

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audience which wanted to believe in

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extraterrestrial intelligence perhaps

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subconsciously they believe that if

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ancient astronauts made out civilization

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they would return to alleviate its

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current problems obviously there is a

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great danger in relying on this new

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salvation and ignoring problems another

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popular culture myth has been shattered

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for those who believed Von daniken it

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was exciting now that the ancient

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astronaut theory has been destroyed what

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next

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wow that was from 1977

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and well I mean how do you destroy an

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idea once the idea has gotten out there

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and became popular with best-selling

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books there's still lots of people out

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there who still believe in the ancient

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astronaut theory and I can recommend and

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I'll link to this in the show notes that

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you um spend the time

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three hours worth of time it's worth it

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to watch the uh the show Ancient Aliens

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debunked

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it's a it's a marathon

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you watch it in chunks but it

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methodically picks apart the arguments

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put forward by the ancient astronaut

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people it's uh it's quite something

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[Music]

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oh yes I very well remember watching

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that movie many years ago probably in

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the 1970s Chariots of the Gods and I

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only mentioned this um the other month

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when I was a guest on the Skeptics Guide

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to the universe podcast that it's

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interesting that um

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the the Chariots of the Gods at the time

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were making analogies to

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1970s space technology

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as used by the ancients

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because they couldn't think of you know

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it hasn't been invented yet so

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apparently the ancient astronauts used

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something to the equivalent of the

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Apollo Landers and things like that come

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on guys get with the program

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and don't forget you can look up all

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sorts of interesting things regarding

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ancient

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[Music]

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whatever you wish at various online

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newspaper archives from around the world

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because you never know you never know

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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Zone this week next week's show and the

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show after that will be coming to you

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from Berkeley California

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where I'm uh going to be flying over

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soon to attend to some

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bits and pieces in that neck of the

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woods hope to catch up with some friends

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in the Bay Area

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so who knows this show might have an

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American an American spin

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certainly looking forward to seeing my

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old friend

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Dr Eugenie Scott thank you to those

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even if I don't keep going sometimes at

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least this show does

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in any case for this week this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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hello to those people who listen after

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the music for the occasional role of

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Skeptics and die dice dice 10 sided die

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I'm going to roll it three times in my

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dice rolling machine

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and you use your magical predicting

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World Cup soccer powers or whatever it

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is

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and see if you can guess which number

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comes up rolling it three times here we

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seven

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coming up guess away

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[Music]

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one more roll

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here it comes

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[Music]

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eight what a spread it is this week

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seven

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three and eight and the supplementary

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the last Roll Just For Fun have another

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guess I wonder if anybody's got seven

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three and eight here we go

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one

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a very even spread this week seven three